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Is Shared Security A Myth? With Toghrul Maharramov
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Toghrul Maharramov
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About the episode

Welcome to episode 10 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a much more broad overview of what shared security really is, how to think about the concept of shared security, and where EigenLayer fits in.

Following up on his earlier thoughts around modularity being a meme, we decided to bring Toghrul on to discuss his mental model for shared security and restaking.

In the crypto world, shared security is often misunderstood as a term. In today's presentation, Toghrul walks us through why the lack of full shared security isnโ€™t necessarily a bad thing, and how it opens up more opportunities for experimentation across L2s, restaking protocols, and other onchain systems. He also made a point to define the four key characteristics of shared security as it relates to cryptoeconomic systems.

We touched on the idea of avoiding full interdependence amongst two separate systems which means individual failures are isolated, ensuring the wider ecosystem remains secure. However, this also breaks the core messaging for shared security, lending itself to a "partial shared security" terminology.

Overall, this was a really good talk and towards the end we got into usecases, risks, and how Toghrul is viewing the restaking landscape.

Enjoy.

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๐—˜๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ฒ๐—ป๐—Ÿ๐—ฎ๐˜†๐—ฒ๐—ฟ ๐—จ๐—ป๐—น๐—ผ๐—ฐ๐—ธ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—”๐—น๐˜๐—Ÿ๐—ฎ๐˜†๐—ฒ๐—ฟ ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ฑ ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐—น๐˜†๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ

๐—”๐—น๐˜๐—Ÿ๐—ฎ๐˜†๐—ฒ๐—ฟ is an open and decentralized protocol that accelerates the launch of native and restaked rollups as well as AVSs. Our flagship product โ€˜restaked rollupsโ€™ has been an industry disruptor, unlocking the true value of rollups with enhanced security, decentralization, fast finality, and interoperability. AltLayer also recently launched the marketโ€™s first AVS-as-a-Service platform called โ€œWizardโ€- which templatizes AVS tools for convenience, hyper-accelerating their adoption and fast-tracking scalability for Web3. Follow AltLayer's Twitter: https://twitter.com/alt_layer and Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/altlayer

๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐—น๐˜†๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ is the first real-time interoperability solution that combines message passing and state streaming into an infinitely scalable network layer for the upcoming appchain meta. It can scale alongside L2 block times and leverage the security guarantees of connected rollups while offering re-org protection. Check it out here: https://www.polymerlabs.org/


00:45 Introduction
02:46 The Definition of Shared Security
06:57 Why Partial Shared Security Is Superior
12:59 Understanding DA and Finality in L2s
16:54 Can An L2 Cause Ethereum To Fail?
20:54 Restaking With Non-Native Assets
28:07 Toghrulโ€™s Biggest Restaking Concern
33:18 Restaked RWAs Are A Problem
36:03 Intersubjectivity Thoughts
40:14 Slashing Endgame
43:26 Do AVSs Need Tokens?


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๐—ช๐—ฒ ๐˜๐—ฟ๐˜† ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฑ๐˜‚๐—ฐ๐—ฒ ๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ด๐—ต-๐—พ๐˜‚๐—ฎ๐—น๐—ถ๐˜๐˜†, ๐—ป๐—ผ๐—ป-๐—ฏ๐—ถ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐—ฒ๐—ฑ, ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ๐˜‚๐—ฐ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ฐ๐—ฟ๐˜†๐—ฝ๐˜๐—ผ ๐—ฒ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜†๐˜€๐˜๐—ฒ๐—บ. ๐—ฆ๐˜‚๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜ ๐˜‚๐˜€ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ถ๐—น๐—ฒ ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ป๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—บ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—ผ๐˜‚๐˜ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜ ๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐—ฝ๐˜๐˜€ ๐—ฏ๐˜† ๐—ฐ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐—ธ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜† ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐˜๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ๐˜€ ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐—น๐—ผ๐˜„ ๐—ณ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐—ณ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐˜€:

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