From Green Rush to ReFi Realism with David Fortson and Sandra Ponce De Leon | S4 Bonus
In this bonus episode of the ReFi podcast, hosted by Maya Dentzel, guests David Fortson and Sandra Ponce De Leon delve into the evolution of the regenerative finance space, transitioning from the initial excitement of the 'green rush' to a more grounded realism. They discuss creating sustainable business models, building regenerative communities, and the importance of trust and collaboration. The conversation also touches on the recent proposal for a region brand commons to ensure the integrity of regenerative efforts and avoid greenwashing. The episode concludes with practical advice and inspiration for the community to keep shipping and staying creative.👉 ReFi Podcast: https://x.com/ReFiPodcast👉 ReFi DAO: https://x.com/refidaoist👉 David's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-fortson-19692715/👉 Sandra's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandraponcedeleon/👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Tereza's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tereza-bizkova/👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel👉 Tereza's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mayazdentzel/00:00 Introduction to Regenerative Finance00:28 Meet the Guests: David Fortson and Sandra Ponce De Leon02:17 Big Picture: Trends and Future of Regenerative Finance02:39 Personal Journeys into Regenerative Finance09:13 Communicating ReFi to the Wider Audience11:25 Challenges and Realities of the ReFi Space18:18 Future Directions and Optimism in ReFi27:59 The Importance of Patience in Regeneration28:12 Creativity and Fun in Environmental Efforts29:06 Challenges and Solutions in Community Engagement29:38 Onboarding and Economic Systems in Crypto30:56 Building Trust in Global Communities32:39 Overcoming Obstacles in Web3 Adoption36:16 The Role of Delight in Product Development40:10 The Regen Commons Debate51:11 Rapid Fire Questions52:42 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
Embedding Culture into Tech with Constanza Gomez Mont | S4E10: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi Podcast, we welcome Constanza Gomez Mont, a renowned social entrepreneur and founder of C Mind and AI for Climate. Mont shares her extensive experience in leveraging AI and emerging technologies to address environmental challenges, particularly in Latin America. She discusses the significance of integrating cultural and traditional knowledge with modern tech, emphasizing a shift towards regenerative and inclusive solutions. Tune in to hear Mont's inspirational journey from founding an action tank to pioneering groundbreaking conservation projects, including AI-driven biodiversity credits and biodiversity credits for protection of jaguars. This episode offers valuable insights into ethical AI, sustainable development, and the imperative roles of governments and local communities in fostering transformational change.👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Constanza’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/constanzagomezmont👉 CMinds Website: https://www.cminds.co/ 👉 For Climate AI: https://www.forclimate.ai/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to AI and Cultural Relevance 00:38 Meet Constanza Gomez Mont 02:01 Constanza's Journey and Vision 03:19 The Role of AI in Conservation 18:32 Challenges in Tech Adoption 25:40 Engaging Indigenous Communities 38:59 The Role of Governments and Policies 46:12 Final Thoughts and Rapid Fire Questions
Nature as Technology with Anna Lerner | S4E11: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi podcast, we speak with Anna Lerner, CEO of the Climate Collective, about her journey in using technology to combat climate change. Anna discusses the importance of product market fit for climate tech entrepreneurs, the potential of AI and blockchain in driving environmental accountability, and the crucial role of engaging local communities in climate projects. She emphasizes the need to shift focus from blaming countries for past damages to redirecting harmful subsidies towards climate and biodiversity goals. The conversation also highlights successful projects leveraging AI and blockchain for measurable environmental impact. 👉 ReFi Podcast: twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Anna's LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-lerner-nesbitt-0569111 👉 Climate Collective: climatecollective.org/ 👉Nature Tech Report: www.naturetechreport.com/ 👉Climate Collective's Report: climatecollective.org/indigenous-shareholdership 👉 Tereza's X profile: x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Nature Impact in Business 00:34 Welcome to the Refi Podcast 00:35 Interview with Kennedy Nana 01:20 Introducing Anna, CEO of Climate Collective 01:35 Anna's Journey in Climate Innovation 02:43 Early Career and First Job in Mozambique 04:09 Challenges and Equity in Climate Action 05:44 Biggest Challenges in Climate Finance 09:35 Technological Solutions for Climate Action 10:10 The Role of Nature and Technology 14:40 Blockchain and Climate Finance 18:13 The Evolution of Refi and Blockchain 19:50 Biodiversity Credit Markets 33:40 Successful Climate Tech Founders 37:24 Funding and Practical Tips for Climate Tech 38:52 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion
Regenerative Technology with Jessica Groopman & Danielle Lanyard | S4E9: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi podcast, hosts Maya and Tereza sit down with Jessica Groopman and Danielle Lanyard, the visionary co-founders of the Regenerative Technology Project. Together, they explore the transformative potential of regenerative technology across various domains. Jessica’s journey from archaeology to Silicon Valley and Danielle’s holistic approach provide a well-rounded view of how technology can serve living systems. Key topics discussed include integrating regenerative principles into the tech sector, the convergence of technology and sustainability, and the roles of blockchain and AI in fostering regenerative systems. The episode also delves into practical implementations, featuring case studies on Materiom, Ecosia, and Fairbnb, and assesses the cultural and financial barriers to scaling emerging technologies. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Regenerative Technology Project’s website: https://www.regentech.co/about/👉 Jessica’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicagroopman/ 👉 Danielle’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dlanyard/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Regenerative Technology 00:47 Meet the Guests: Jessica Groopman and Danielle Lanyard 02:25 Jessica's Journey: From Archaeology to Regenerative Tech 07:49 Danielle's Path: From Meditation to Tech Innovation 19:16 Defining Regenerative Technology 23:00 Research Insights and Challenges 37:00 The Importance of a Holistic Approach 38:36 Challenges in Implementing Regenerative Technology 40:46 Examples of Regenerative Technology Projects 55:57 The Role of Blockchain in Regeneration 01:01:31 The Impact and Potential of AI 01:08:32 Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Remarks
Building Bridges with Azeem Khan | S4E8: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi podcast, co-hosts interview Azeem Khan, a serial entrepreneur and leading figure in decentralized finance and crypto philanthropy. Azeem discusses his pragmatic approach to integrating traditional industry practices with the world of crypto to maximize social impact and financial sustainability. The conversation covers Azeem's career journey, including his work with Gitcoin, UNICEF, and various crypto philanthropy initiatives. Reflecting on key sustainability practices, he stresses the importance of fostering long-term partnerships and investing in community-driven projects. Azeem also shares insights on the controversial Shell deal with Gitcoin, expressing the need to balance ESG commitments with practical funding solutions. Additionally, the episode explores the current state and future of Web3, emphasizing the criticality of bridging Eastern and Western crypto cultures for broader adoption and impact. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Azeem’s X profile: https://x.com/azeemk_ 👉 Azeem’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theazeemkhan/ 👉 Azeem’s project: https://www.morphl2.io/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Parallel Thinking in Crypto 02:03 Guest Introduction: Azeem Khan 02:56 Azeem's Journey into Crypto 06:22 Crypto Philanthropy and Public Goods 09:15 Challenges and Innovations in Web3 19:59 The Future of Blockchain Ecosystems 29:54 Conference Culture and Predictions for DevCon 34:09 VC Money and Crypto's Event Industry 34:26 Bridging Eastern and Western Crypto Cultures 38:46 Philanthropy in Web3: Real-World Impact 47:05 Challenges and Solutions in Crypto Philanthropy 52:57 The Shell Deal Controversy 58:06 Degen vs. Regen: A Balanced Perspective 01:03:16 Global Crypto Adoption: A Pragmatic Approach 01:07:17 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion
dMRV Innovation for Climate Resilience with Kennedy Ng'ang'a | S4E7: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi Podcast, join Kennedy Ng'ang'a, founder and CEO of Shamba Network, as he shares his pioneering journey into Web3 since 2017 and how he leverages blockchain technology and satellite data to empower smallholder farmers in Africa. Kennedy delves into the mission of Shamba Network, which aims to bring ecological and climate data on-chain, addressing challenges like handling large datasets and pioneering solutions such as the ecological data oracle. The discussion explores the role of Digital Measurement, Reporting, and Verification (dMRV) in ecological projects, emphasizing financial and technological hurdles and the significance of institutional collaborations. With stories from pilot projects in Kenya and successful initiatives such as the ReFi Kenya Festival, learn how Shamba Network is driving climate resilience, community engagement, and overcoming skepticism towards Web3 solutions. Discover how technology and community actions are fostering sustainable development and environmental impact across Africa. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Shamba Website: https://shamba.network/ 👉 Kennedy's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kennedynganga/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to dMRV and Digital Tools 00:26 Welcome Kennedy Ng'ang'a 01:37 Kennedy's Journey into Web3 and Climate Resilience 03:57 Founding Shamba Network 05:22 Challenges and Innovations in Climate Data 07:50 The Role of dMRV in Climate Action 10:44 Empowering Smallholder Farmers 17:59 Institutional Collaborations and Pilot Projects 22:18 Successful Project and Future Prospects 22:54 Pilot Results and Tech Stack 25:19 Community Engagement and Digital Literacy 30:05 Challenges and Criticisms of Web3 32:42 Impactful Applications of Web3 in Africa 35:45 Future of ReFi Projects in Kenya 40:01 Personal Reflections and Success Stories 42:38 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion
Regenerative Investing with Ebru Kaya | S4E6: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi Podcast, the hosts sit down with Ebru Kaya, CEO of Atreyu Investments and co-founder of the Regenerative Investing Institute. Ebru shares her journey into impact and regenerative investing, highlighting the importance of creating a thriving business ecosystem, much like nurturing a flower's environment. She explores her philosophy of investing not just for impact but by focusing on how businesses achieve this through interconnections within communities and ecosystems. Ebru touches on transformative projects, particularly in education and women's health, and discusses Atreyu’s approach to treating businesses as living systems. The conversation covers the evolving landscape of regenerative finance, emphasizing more holistic and inclusive models, and concludes with Ebru's reflections on the critical role of commitment in driving meaningful change. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Atreyu Investments Website: https://www.atreyu.global/ 👉 Regenerative Investing Institute Website: https://www.regenerativeinvestinginstitute.org/ 👉 Ebru's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ebru-kaya-9741432/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction: The Importance of a Healthy Ecosystem 00:35 Meet Ebru Kaya: A Journey into Impact Investing 01:49 Ebru's Personal Journey and Early Career 05:57 The Birth of Regenerative Investing 06:54 Challenges and Philosophies in Impact Investing 11:21 Defining Impact vs. Regenerative Investing 21:19 Business as a Living System 27:16 The Art of Business Self-Actualization 27:40 Impact Investing: The How Matters 29:28 Healthy Planet, Healthy People, Empowered Communities 30:19 Learn Life: A Case Study in Regenerative Education 34:11 Regenerating Women’s Health 38:53 Community Engagement and Regenerative Principles 45:24 Measuring Success in Regenerative Investments 49:13 The Role of Technology in Regenerative Investing 51:13 Rapid Fire Questions and Final Thoughts
Investing in Forests with Pete Corke | S4E5: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi podcast, hosts Maya and Tereza interview Pete Corke, a regenerative innovator and visionary behind the indigenous-led project Kwaxala. The discussion focuses on transitioning from extractive to regenerative economies, specifically in the context of British Columbia's rainforests. Pete shares how Kwaxala aims to replace logging rights with the right to regenerate, creating economic structures that recognize and prioritize Indigenous land rights. The episode delves into the challenges of implementing this revolutionary business model, including legal and systemic barriers, and highlights the need for collaboration in the regenerative finance community. Pete emphasizes the importance of valuing and holding natural assets while connecting with native communities and using innovative financing mechanisms like protected forest shares and eco credits. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Kwaxala’s Website: http://www.kwaxala.com/ 👉 Pete's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pete-corke-82063a3/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Regenerative Economy 00:35 Meet Pete Corke: Visionary Behind Kwaxala 01:58 Pete's Journey into Regenerative Finance 04:00 Understanding the Threats to British Columbia's Forests 05:46 The Economic Structure of Extractive Rights 09:16 Creating a Regenerative Economy 09:35 The Role of Indigenous Land Title Holders 16:42 The Century Protocol: Quantifying Ecological Value 19:40 Scaling Regenerative Forestry 24:40 Partnership with Indigenous Nations 31:05 Legislative Achievements in Biodiversity Restoration 31:52 Challenges with Indigenous Relationships and Venture Funding 32:40 Philanthropic Funding and Government Collaboration 34:01 Economic Models for Conservation 35:38 Carbon Credits vs. Premium Eco Credits 36:59 Ecological Benefits Framework (EBF) 37:58 The Role of Web3 in Carbon Offsets 42:31 Tech Stack and Future Plans 46:46 Advice for the ReFi Community 47:28 The Bigger Picture: Regenerative vs. Extractive Economies 55:47 Rapid Fire Questions
Ecoweaving with Tony Lai | S4E4: Regeneration Nexus
In this final episode of the economic and systems thinking mini-series on the refi podcast, Tony Lai, co-steward of Mother Tree Labs and fellow at Stanford's Codex, joins Maya and Tereza to explore the intersection of computational law, commons governance, and ecological transition. Tony offers insights into creating mindful economies and shares personal tips for regeneration. The conversation covers institutional versus extitutional approaches to governance, the role of computational law in regenerative systems, and the importance of community-driven initiatives. Tony shares experiences from New Zealand's legal personhood for nature and discusses the development of Mother Tree Labs in nurturing regenerative communities. Key themes include the role of mythmaking, storytelling, and community in reshaping legal frameworks and economic systems. Tony emphasizes the importance of attunement practices for personal and relational growth, offering a unique blend of law, music, and community engagement to foster a regenerative future. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Tony's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyklai/ 👉 Tony's X: https://x.com/lai 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to the ReFi Podcast 01:22 Welcoming Tony Lai 04:34 Tony's Background and Journey 09:09 The Role of Law in Regenerative Systems 15:29 Academia and Computational Law 22:42 Mother Tree Labs and Mythology 28:23 Regenerative Finance Explained 33:02 Surprising Insights from New Zealand 38:18 Extitutional Theory and Community Governance 43:19 Personal and Relational Regeneration 46:49 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion
Democracy, Technology, and Plurality with Glen Weyl | S4E3: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode, we delve into a conversation with Glen Weyl, a political economist, researcher at Microsoft Research, and founder of Radical Exchange. Glen discusses his work on innovative economic models and digital democracy, emphasizing the need to convert social media anger into productive policy proposals. The dialogue explores the evolution of democracy and technology, illustrated by examples from Taiwan's GovZero and the system of Polis for reducing polarization. Glen also shares insights from his books, Radical Markets and Plurality, and reflects on the intersections of technology, democracy, and spirituality. Addressing the challenges in the U.S. political climate, Glen outlines potential solutions for increasing civic engagement and reducing polarization, and offers his perspective on the role of blockchain and other technologies in fostering sustainable communities. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 Glen’s Website: https://glenweyl.com 👉 Glen's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eglenweyl/ 👉 Glen's X: https://x.com/glenweyl 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Social Media and Anger 00:39 Guest Introduction: Glen Weyl 01:24 Key Takeaways and Episode Overview 01:51 Diving into Glen's Work and Views 02:16 Challenges in Democracy and Technology 06:27 ExploringTaiwan's Digital Democracy 09:04 Polis and Depolarization Mechanisms 15:54 Conflict and Polarization in Society 17:27 Local Strategies for Rebuilding Connection 18:42 Anonymity and Identity in Digital Spaces 20:46 Environmental Coordination and Blockchain 24:14 Refi Community and Blockchain Critique 29:32 Quadratic Voting and Its Applications 33:46 Open Source Book and Plurality 36:27 Future Projects and Personal Insights 37:33 Religion, Technology, and Personal Growth 41:19 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion
The Foundations of Regenerative Economics with John Fullerton | S4E2: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode, John Fullerton, an unconventional economist and key proponent of regenerative economics, discusses the polycrisis resulting from traditional economic systems and the need for a paradigm shift towards regeneration. Fullerton shares insights from his transition from Wall Street banker to founding the Capital Institute and emphasizes how holistic approaches in economics and finance can foster sustainable business practices. He elucidates the differences between impact investing, regenerative investing, and discusses the potential role of cryptocurrencies and blockchain in creating a resilient economy. The conversation also delves into how organizations can adopt regenerative principles and the importance of maintaining a holistic view. This episode offers profound insights for anyone interested in advancing regenerative finance principles and fostering a sustainable global economy. 👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast 👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist 👉 John's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-fullerton-a5abbb4 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova 👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel 00:00 Introduction to Regenerative Economics 00:30 Meet John Fullerton: From Wall Street to Regenerative Economics 02:13 The Flaws in Traditional Economic Systems 02:30 John's Journey: From JP Morgan to the Capital Institute 04:22 The Realization of Systemic Issues 06:15 Understanding Regeneration: Beyond Sustainability 15:13 The Role of Finance in Regeneration 22:05 Corporate Challenges in Adopting Regenerative Economics 29:59 Understanding Health Indicators 31:03 The Concept of Regeneration 31:37 Economic System Transformation 32:43 Living Systems and Business Models 34:38 The Role of Technology in Regeneration 37:59 Complementary Currencies and Resilience 44:20 The Future of Finance 50:53 Rapid Fire Questions
Bioregional Finance with Samantha Power | S4E1: Regeneration Nexus
In the first episode of Season Four of the ReFi Podcast “The Regeneration Nexus,” hosts Maya and Tereza interview Samantha Power, a regenerative economist, futurist, bioregionalist, and co-founder of the BioFi Project. Samantha discusses her new book, 'Bioregional Finance and Facilities: Reimagining Finance to Regenerate Our Planet,' and delves into the concepts of bioregionalism and decentralized technology to foster place-based approaches for ecological and cultural regeneration. She outlines the idea of bioregional financing facilities (BFFs) and their potential to decentralize financial governance, organize synergistic portfolios of projects, and catalyze the transition to regenerative economies. They also discuss innovative mechanisms such as eco-credits, nature-based currencies, and web3 technologies as tools to support these goals. ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist Samantha's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthapower/ BioFi Project: https://www.biofi.earth Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel Support ReFi Podcast: https://buymeacoffee.com/refipodcast https://giveth.io/project/refi-podcast-season-4-the-regeneration-nexus Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Regeneration Nexus Podcast 01:26 Meet Samantha Power: Regenerative Economist 02:12 The Bigger Picture: Traditional Systems and Ecological Harm 06:04 Defining Regenerative Economy 12:07 Bioregional Financing Facilities Explained 16:30 The Role of Bioregions in Regeneration 38:05 Innovative Financial Mechanisms and Web3 Technologies 46:17 Future of Bioregional Financing Facilities 50:23 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action
Celo x EasyRPGF w/ Luuk and Monty
00:00 Intro 00:39 Overview of Podcast 02:37 What is Celo Ecosystem? 08:22 Luuk’s Journey in Celo 11:39 Monty Journey in Celo ecosystem 18:32 Impact of celo Ecosystem 26:00 ReFi perspective in programs 36:25 Celo PG Team 39:43 Collaborative Spirit in ReFi 42:56 Retroactive funding Mechanism 44:43 Celo's Retro Citizen Round 48:03 Maturity of the Web3 Ecosystem 50:01 Upcoming Developments in Celo 55:52 Vote of Thanks 56:21 Podcast Overview 59:25 Outro
Regen Token: Tipping What Matters w/ Cyrus & Mel
00:00 Intro 04:14 What is Regen token 05:54 Regen Token Use Cases 07:51 About Regen & Meme Coin 10:28 Meme Coin Purpose 17:11 Regen Flywheel 20:27 Proof Of Regen 26:47 Regen Tips X Regen Network 28:51 What If Regen Is Max successful? 32:00 Tipping As New Culture 35:39 Resources 36:30 Outro
Gift Circles and Coordinape w/ Zach
00:00 Intro 3:35 Zach on Coordinape and How it works? 06:00 The North Star Idea Behid Coordinape 09:45 Coordinape's origin story within the Yearn ecosystem 14:41 Challenges and conflicts in using Coordinape 17:52 Coordinape's impact and future development 20:05 Coordinape's role in changing capital allocation 20:11 Efficient Capital Allocation 21:25 Transparent Capital Allocation 22:08 Different Capital Allocation Mechanisms 25:43 Introduction to Co-Links 30:19 Casual Capital Allocation 32:34 Network States and Community Building 36:26 Web3 and Identity 40:04 On-Chain Reputation and Trust 41:18 Closing Remarks 41:56 Kevin Outro
