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BASE Creator Jesse Pollak: Why Most Crypto Traders Lose (And What to Do Instead) | E93

Jesse Pollak is the creator of Base, Coinbase's ethereum layer 2 network offering a secure, low-cost way for anyone to build decentralized apps onchain. He is also the Lead at Coinbase Wallet and a member of the Coinbase Exec Team. In this conversation, Jesse shares his deeply personal journey of building Base, from the intense pressure of early ideation to the physical and emotional toll of its launch. He opens up about almost quitting, losing 20 pounds from stress, and how his wife's intervention helped him through the darkest moments. Beyond the struggles, Jesse discusses his ambitious vision for an onchain future, predicting that "everything will be onchain in 5 years." From his unique background in Quaker schools to his unconventional problem-solving methods, Jesse offers rare insights into what it takes to build a platform that could transform how billions of people interact with the digital world. In this episode, we explore: Jesse’s mind and struggles What gave him a big chip on the shoulder How hard the beginning of Base was on a personal level Why the most successful products in crypto DO NOT have a token The Coinbase’s centralization Paradox How Jesse built the leading Ethereum Layer 2 in the crypto space. Why Jesse owns a Cryptopunk What it takes to be a successful founder in crypto Why Jesse cuts his hair earlier this year How Jesse finds solutions to the most complex problems! And much more!

How Arthur Hayes Has Prepared His Portfolio for the Elections - Ep. 728

As the 2024 U.S. election draws near, the crypto market is buzzing with speculation on what’s next. Arthur Hayes, co-founder of BitMEX, joins Unchained to discuss how Bitcoin and altcoins might react depending on who wins. Hayes shares his insights on election trade strategies, from the importance of sticking to the majors to his preference for Solana over Ethereum in the short term. He also dives into whether Trump will fulfill his promises to the crypto community and drops a banger explanation on what could be the next Federal Reserve move. (Hint: it’s not about interest rates.)  Plus, Unchained reporter Veronica Irwin joins the show to discuss her latest scoops on Stand With Crypto’s scoring system and SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce’s stance on whether she would want to become Chair of the agency in replacement of Gary Gensler. Show highlights:    01:39 How the market could react based on the election outcome    03:53 Has a Trump win been priced in? What if there’s no clear winner?    06:30 Arthur’s short-term trade strategy for the elections    13:00 Will Bitcoin surge, and is an altcoin rotation coming?    16:52 Why Arthur favors SOL over ETH right now    21:28 Whether Layer 2s are parasitic to Ethereum    24:19 Could crypto regulation reform come after the election?    26:12 Whether Trump would deliver on his promises to the crypto community    29:45 The election outlook for memecoins    30:52 Why traders should focus on high-cap AI memecoins    36:41 Why Arthur believes the Fed need to restart quantitative easing    47:55 How much money China will print to tackle its property crisis    52:21 Arthur’s take on Japan’s political shift and economic impact    54:44 Whether Stand With Crypto has been honest with the crypto community    56:20 A potential conflict of interest of one of the top executives    56:58 Stand With Crypto’s affiliation with PAC Fairshake    1:04:19 Whether Hester Peirce will become SEC Chair if Trump wins    1:08:27 Crypto News Recap Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Mantle’s FBTC Guest Arthur Hayes, Co-Founder of BitMEX and CIO at Maelstrom Previous appearances on Unchained:  Arthur Hayes and Will Clemente on How This Bitcoin Halving Is Different Arthur Hayes on Why Bitcoin Is Money and ETH Is a Shitcoin He Loves Arthur Hayes, Former Ethereum Skeptic, on Why the Merge Makes Him Bullish on ETH  Arthur Hayes of Bitmex on Why Countries Will Turn to Digital The Chopping Block: Arthur Hayes on Why Crypto Needs to Ditch the Banks How Crypto and Blockchain Technology Could Change Financial Services Links Unchained:  Why You Might Have to Wait a Little Longer for a Crypto Bull Market What Needs to Happen for Altcoins to Finally Pump: Report Arthur’s latest blog post Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why Fast Finality Can Enhance Cross-Rollup Transactions With Nuffle

Welcome to episode 9 of EigenLayer Unlocked, with a focus on utilizing a fast finality layer to improve cross-rollup interop and avoid the long finality delays on Ethereum L1. Today, we’re taking a closer look at Nuffle Labs’ fast finality layer, NFFL, an EigenLayer AVS that addresses state fragmentation, user experience issues, and security concerns amongst L2s. Nuffle Labs, led by founders Altan and Firat, comes from a strong technical background, starting with NEAR DA, and they’re known for making things faster, cheaper, and easier for rollups. But, that didn't stop Andy from grilling them about their tradeoffs, how they are going to write their slashing contracts, what the slashing rules are, and where there are chokepoints in their design. Their latest focus, NFFL, leverages the security of Ethereum through EigenLayer to give rollups a universal finality layer, slashing costs and improving interoperability. By using of restaked ETH, rollups can rely on cryptoeconomic security for faster state attestations. They also hinted at an upcoming product, which was partly a tease, albeit quite interesting. Enjoy. 𝗘𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝗨𝗻𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗔𝗹𝘁𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝘆𝗺𝗲𝗿 𝗔𝗹𝘁𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 is an open and decentralized protocol that accelerates the launch of native and restaked rollups as well as AVSs. Our flagship product ‘restaked rollups’ has been an industry disruptor, unlocking the true value of rollups with enhanced security, decentralization, fast finality, and interoperability. AltLayer also recently launched the market’s first AVS-as-a-Service platform called “Wizard”- which templatizes AVS tools for convenience, hyper-accelerating their adoption and fast-tracking scalability for Web3. Follow AltLayer's Twitter: https://twitter.com/alt_layer and Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/altlayer 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝘆𝗺𝗲𝗿 is the first real-time interoperability solution that combines message passing and state streaming into an infinitely scalable network layer for the upcoming appchain meta. It can scale alongside L2 block times and leverage the security guarantees of connected rollups while offering re-org protection. Check it out here: https://www.polymerlabs.org/ 00:45 Introduction to Nuffle Labs 03:11 Challenges in Rollup Architecture 05:37 Designing the Nuffle Fast Finality Layer 09:02 Security Considerations 12:49 Addressing Malicious Behavior 17:11 The Role of Operators and Slashing Mechanisms 21:44 Building Cross-Chain Applications 25:29 Understanding Demand and Yield for Nuffle's AVS 28:50 Slashing Rules and Risk Management 32:46 Developing Slashing Contracts 36:52 Road To Mainnet & Future Plans nuffle Website: https://nuff.tech/ nuffle Socials: https://x.com/nufflelabs altan tutar Socials: https://x.com/mraltantutar first sertgoz Socials: https://x.com/sarifirfir123 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗽𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl . . . 𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴. #EigenLayer #ModularBlockchains #Ethereum #Nuffle

Why Fast Finality Can Enhance Cross-Rollup Transactions With Nuffle

Welcome to episode 9 of EigenLayer Unlocked, with a focus on utilizing a fast finality layer to improve cross-rollup interop and avoid the long finality delays on Ethereum L1. Today, we’re taking a closer look at Nuffle Labs’ fast finality layer, NFFL, an EigenLayer AVS that addresses state fragmentation, user experience issues, and security concerns amongst L2s. Nuffle Labs, led by founders Altan and Firat, comes from a strong technical background, starting with NEAR DA, and they’re known for making things faster, cheaper, and easier for rollups. But, that didn't stop Andy from grilling them about their tradeoffs, how they are going to write their slashing contracts, what the slashing rules are, and where there are chokepoints in their design. Their latest focus, NFFL, leverages the security of Ethereum through EigenLayer to give rollups a universal finality layer, slashing costs and improving interoperability. By using of restaked ETH, rollups can rely on cryptoeconomic security for faster state attestations. They also hinted at an upcoming product, which was partly a tease, albeit quite interesting. Enjoy. 𝗘𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝗨𝗻𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗔𝗹𝘁𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝘆𝗺𝗲𝗿 𝗔𝗹𝘁𝗟𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 is an open and decentralized protocol that accelerates the launch of native and restaked rollups as well as AVSs. Our flagship product ‘restaked rollups’ has been an industry disruptor, unlocking the true value of rollups with enhanced security, decentralization, fast finality, and interoperability. AltLayer also recently launched the market’s first AVS-as-a-Service platform called “Wizard”- which templatizes AVS tools for convenience, hyper-accelerating their adoption and fast-tracking scalability for Web3. Follow AltLayer's Twitter: https://twitter.com/alt_layer and Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/altlayer 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝘆𝗺𝗲𝗿 is the first real-time interoperability solution that combines message passing and state streaming into an infinitely scalable network layer for the upcoming appchain meta. It can scale alongside L2 block times and leverage the security guarantees of connected rollups while offering re-org protection. Check it out here: https://www.polymerlabs.org/ 00:45 Introduction to Nuffle Labs 03:11 Challenges in Rollup Architecture 05:37 Designing the Nuffle Fast Finality Layer 09:02 Security Considerations 12:49 Addressing Malicious Behavior 17:11 The Role of Operators and Slashing Mechanisms 21:44 Building Cross-Chain Applications 25:29 Understanding Demand and Yield for Nuffle's AVS 28:50 Slashing Rules and Risk Management 32:46 Developing Slashing Contracts 36:52 Road To Mainnet & Future Plans nuffle Website: https://nuff.tech/ nuffle Socials: https://x.com/nufflelabs altan tutar Socials: https://x.com/mraltantutar first sertgoz Socials: https://x.com/sarifirfir123 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗽𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl . . . 𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘦𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘭, 𝘸𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘞𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴. #EigenLayer #ModularBlockchains #Ethereum #Nuffle

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Is Tokemak Back?

Carson Cook and Manuel are Core Contributors at Tokemak. In this episode, we review the newly launched Tokemak Autopools, including how they simplify liquidity provisions (LPs), how they autonomously rebalance to earn the best yields in DeFi, and how these new ETH Autopools compare to other yield products on the market. ------ 🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗 ► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad ► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod ► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify ► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod ► Follow DeFi Dad: https://twitter.com/DeFi_Dad ► Follow Nomatic: https://twitter.com/Nomaticcap ► Learn about DeFi and Web3: http://defidad.com/ ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources ♦️ REDSTONE ORACLES | THE FASTEST GROWING ORACLE FOR DEFI https://redstone.finance/ ☀️ SUMMER.FI | THE BEST PLACE TO BORROW AND EARN IN DEFI https://summer.fi/?utm_source=DeFidad 🧙‍♂️ MERLIN CHAIN | THE RISE OF BITCOIN'S LARGEST LAYER 2 https://merlinchain.io/ 🔥 FBTC | YOUR GATEWAY TO BITCOIN EARNINGS https://fbtc.com/ongoing-campaign 🐡 PUFFER FINANCE | LIQUID RESTAKING FOR THE LITTLE FISH https://puffer.fi/ ------ Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 3:33 - Tokemak V1 4:21 - Lessons from V1 6:33 - The problem with manual LPing 9:04 - What are Tokemak Autopilot and Autopools? 12:46 - The power of using ERC-4626 15:24 - Designing for composability 17:07 - FBTC mid-roll 17:48 - How Autopools work? 20:47 - How often do Autopools rebalance? 24:23 - Initial choices for 3 live Autopools 27:08 - Comparing Autopools to other yield products 29:30 - Puffer mid-roll 29:55 - How do points play into Autopools? 31:22 - Security for V2 33:12 - Closing ------ 🔗 Guest Links 🔗 ► Tokemak Website: https://tokemak.xyz ► Tokemak on Twitter: https://x.com/tokemakXYZ ► Carson on Twitter: https://x.com/liquiditywizard ► Manuel on Twitter: https://x.com/Archer_MD_ ► Tokemak Autopilot Tutorial: https://www.the-edge.xyz/p/tokemak-autopilot-simplify-lps-and-maximize-yield-with-autopools ------ If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. 4RC invested in Tokemak in 2021. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.