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Zora Founder on the Plan to Pay Creators

If content "wants to be free", how can creators get paid? In this special edition live interview, we sit down with Jacob Horne, cofounder of Zora, for a candid conversation on the company’s evolving vision—and what they got wrong early on. Jacob opens up about Zora’s shift from marketplace to protocol, why onchain media matters more than ever, and how consumer apps in crypto have been missing the point. If you’ve ever wondered what Zora actually is or where it’s going next, this is the episode to hear it from the source. Along the way: protocol tradeoffs, the fragility of NFT incentives, and why Zora is now all-in on supporting the onchain internet through composable creation tools. It’s a peek behind the curtain of one of crypto’s most culturally influential companies. This episode unpacks: - Why Zora is no longer a marketplace company - How protocol thinking changed their product strategy - The tension between creator and collector incentives - What “onchain media” really means to Jacob - The risks of speculative activity dominating apps - Why Zora is focused on creative tooling - How Zora thinks about interoperability - A breakdown of Zora’s current app ecosystem - What success looks like for a protocol - Why this is a 20-year project Chapters: 00:00 — Intro 01:05 — Jacob joins the stage 03:02 — Zora is not a marketplace 07:33 — What went wrong in 2021 10:56 — Owning the protocol 13:31 — Measuring success 17:24 — Creators vs speculators 21:44 — Zora’s real product 26:07 — What it means to be onchain 30:30 — Long-term vision 34:53 — Future of Zora apps 39:27 — The internet is half-finished 44:10 — Open protocols to black boxes 49:15 — What meme coins unlock 53:38 — Why the DAO model broke 57:20 — Building for liquidity, not hype 01:00:42 — UX is the real innovation 01:04:17 — How Zora builds for decades 01:07:39 — Farcon week & final thoughts Internet Explorers is a weekly rundown show where extremely online individuals broadly explore (romanticize, even) new consumer Internet experiences. Join us⁠ live on Twitter/X, Fridays 10am PT / 1pm ET. Seed Club Twitter: https://x.com/seedclubhq Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/internet-explorers/id1756599282 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6iJk3xZoij7pVhlNbTP9qS?si=4cda0ac044dc4c6a

16: Anjan Katta - A Sunrise Over Computing

Anjan Katta (https://x.com/AnjanKatta) is Founder and CEO of Daylight (https://daylightcomputer.com/), a new type of computer company. Having a conversation with Anjan is a bit like trying reign in a wild animal: his horsepower, wide-ranging philosophical interests, and unbelievable depth in the areas he cares about make him one of a kind. Fortunately, all of that energy is being channeled into his life's work, Daylight Computer Company. Daylight's mission is to build a computer that amplifies our humanity. That starts with Daylight's first product: The DC1, a tablet that combines the power and functionality of an iPad with the screen of a kindle. Anjan has been building Daylight for seven years across extensive research on screens and hardware, many near deaths, and mission-driven motivation. Anjan sees computers as a "magical medium" that we're in relationship with, unlike other tools. Unfortunately, "optimization of the means, yet confusion of goals" has led the technology industry to building hardware and software that sits in what he calls a "messy medium." With devices that can do anything and everything, they often fail to empower us toward the vision Steve Jobs called the bicycle for the mind. Throughout, Anjan and I discuss a philosophy toward life, career, design, and creating meaning that I hope will inspire you, whether you work on technology or not. May we all aim to get closer to ourselves and our humanity. Transcript and all links: https://dialectic.fm/anjan-katta --- This episode is brought to you by Hampton, a private, highly vetted membership for founders. Hampton makes entrepreneurship less lonely by matching you with a core group of likeminded founders along with community, events, retreats, and more. Visit https://joinhampton.com/community to learn more and apply. --- Timestamps - (0:04): Hampton - (1:57): Anjan Intro - (3:54): A Bicycle for the Mind and The Computer: Tool or Medium? - (13:15): The Core of the Computer as a Magical Medium: Relationship - (16:39): The Waterslide/fall of Agency and Humanity as Nature's Generalists - (27:35): What drove Anjan to Computers - (33:00): Building the Non-Inevitable and Confronting Silicon Valley's "Optimization of Means, Yet Confusion of Goals" - (39:25): Wandering Toward Daylight: a Computer that Doesn't Feel Like Other Computers - (51:02): Is Daylight paternalistic? The messy middle and the Case Against "sporks" or Sh* tting Where You Eat - (59:51): The Ultimate Messy Medium: The Phone as Our Main Relationship to the World and Starting Over with a More Simple Tool - (1:08:04): A Magical Companion: The Primer, Dynabook, or "Hobbes" - (1:13:31): Starting with Light - (1:17:32): Daylight as "basically Just a Screen" & Applying "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology" - (1:28:18): High Resolution Decision Making: Designing with Intuition and Developing the Right Kind of "Feel" - (1:40:24): The Four Dimensions of Daylight's Vision - (1:58:08): Growing as a Person and a Leader - (2:07:08): Growing Daylight the Company/Organism: Three Principles - (2:12:42): Competition, Scaling Daylight, Why Someone Should Work There - (2:17:45): Lighting Round: Paravel – Interactive Fiction App Developed for Daylight - (2:19:54): The Evolution of Books - (2:21:20): Most Influential Books on Anjan - (2:23:43): Is AI making Us More Human or Less Human? - (2:29:38): Boredom, Authenticity, and Integrity - (2:32:06): Faith and Spirituality - (2:33:04): What Anjan Has Learned from His Parents and What He's Forgiven Them For - (2:34:38): Lilo and Stitch - (2:35:50): The Most Important Thing

Kain Warwick on Infinex: The Effortless Crypto Wallet for Everyone | Swidge, Play-to-Earn & More

In this episode, I’m joined by Kain Warwick, legendary founder of Synthetix and now the driving force behind Infinex — a bold attempt to build the crypto everything app. We go deep on how Infinex is crafting a non-custodial, intuitive, everyday wallet that could finally onboard the next wave of users — including your grandma. One of the most exciting features? Swidge — a game-changing tool that lets users swap and bridge across chains instantly, all within the wallet. From crypto payments to gaming, earn opportunities, and seamless EVM compatibility, Kain explains why Infinex isn’t just another wallet — it’s a daily driver built for the next era of Web3. 🎙️ What We Cover: What makes Infinex different from wallets like Phantom or Base The power of Swidge and why seamless UX is the future Play-to-earn opportunities and onchain gaming Why Kain left comfort behind to build again His thoughts on the chain with the most potential The future roadmap and what success looks like a year from now Whether you’re a builder, investor, or someone just entering crypto, this episode is packed with insight from one of the space’s most respected minds. 🔗 Learn More & Follow: 👉 Check out Infinex and follow them on X: @infinex_app 👉 Follow Kain Warwick on X: @kaiynne 👉 Follow me for more Web3 podcasts & alpha: @latenightonbase 💬 DM me on X if you’d like to be featured on the show! 👍 Like, comment, and subscribe for more conversations with the builders reshaping crypto.

15: D.A. Wallach - Serendipity & Systems

D.A. Wallach is an investor, musician, writer, and polymath. Today he co-runs Time BioVentures, backing frontier life-science and healthcare startups. Before that, he was an investor in in SpaceX, Spotify, Emulate, Beam Therapeutics, and Ripple, among others, and toured the globe as half of Chester French. He also released music as a solo artist and was Spotify’s first Artist-in-Residence. Our conversation moves from engineered serendipity—the art of a well-aimed cold email & surfing the web—to complexity science, the Santa Fe Institute, and what better systems might look like. We dive into markets and medicine: investing with a creative mindset; timing in biotech including CRISPR and GLP-1s; and the tension between free-market innovation and healthcare as a human right. D.A. unpacks how incentives shape everything from venture bubbles to hospital billing and how LLMs might move us closer to a universal standard of care. In the back half we talk creativity, beauty, art, and performance. We discuss whether AI makes us lazy or amplifies originality, DA's many lives across art, tech, and business, and end on his plea for artists to reclaim their throne of "cool". I hope you're inspired by D.A's combination of curiosity and depth and are reminded that you don't have to stay in one lane, regardless of how impressive it might be. Timestamps: - (0:04) Hampton - (1:56) Intro to D.A. - (3:29) Curiosity, Serendipity, and the Power of Cold Emails - (9:21) Web Surfing & D.A.'s Potential One-Man Show - (13:28) Learning to Go Deep: Explore vs. Exploit - (19:18) Complexity Science, EO Wilson - (29:20) What Makes Santa Fe Institute Special? - (33:13) Complex and Bureaucratic Systems: How do you design a good system? And how do you change entrenched systems? - (40:25) D.A.'s Attraction to Markets and the Fed Challenge - (45:19) What Makes a Good Investor? - (48:30) Creativity in Investing, Index Funds, Elon's Take on a Great VC, and Venture Capital's Real Customer - (58:45) What Makes for Commercially Successful Creatives: Doing - (1:05:24) Gene Editing & CRISPR, What "Early" Means in Biotech, and Isolating the Bet You're Making - (1:12:48) GLP-1, Slow Burn Technological Innovation, FOMO, and Bubbles - (1:18:49) Healthcare Incentives: The Tension between Free Market Capitalism and Healthcare as a Right - (1:24:53) Patient Agency, LLMs, and Shifting Away from Paternalistic Doctors - (1:29:02) Progress Toward a "Universal Standard of Care" - (1:32:58) Artificial vs. Natural Intelligence - (1:38:32) Should We Limit Technological Progress? D.A.'s Response to Alarm-Sounding: Focus on Today's Real Problems & Solutions - (1:43:32) How Do You Keep Technology from Making You Creatively Lazy? - (1:52:37) Performance, Fame, and Authenticity - (2:00:27) Beauty As the Primary Motivation - (2:06:17) Multiple Lives, Art vs. Tech & Business, and D.A.'s Plea for the Artists to Revolt - (2:14:04) What Would D.A. Not Stop Doing for $1B? - (2:15:41) Lightning Round: Anonymity, Tyler the Creator, Pharrell - (2:20:04) African Studies at Harvard - (2:22:08) Favorite Jazz Album - (2:23:40) Finding New Music - (2:25:08) LA: The Most Open-Minded City - (2:27:16) What He Hopes to Teach His Young Daughter

"Taming the Wild West" with Serpin Taxt, founder of Ethos | ZEROPOD S2 E14

Welcome back to another episode of ZEROPOD, this one featuring Serpin Taxt, the ambitious young founder of a new protocol called Ethos, which aims to help solve the age-old problem of who to trust (and who not to) in the onchain space. Host Toady Hawk talks about his childhood, his career in web 2, and his goals for Ethos, namely, to tame the wild, wild west of the crypto space… just a bit. So without further ado, let’s go learn about the mythos behind the Ethos. —- Timestamps: 00:00 - The $9B Problem: Scams, Trust, and the Wild West of Crypto 02:25 - Welcome to ZEROPOD: Meet Serpin Taxt, Founder of Ethos 05:00 - Inventor Dreams and Web2 Career 08:00 - Escaping B2B SaaS 11:00 - Discovering Ethereum: Interoperability and Smart Contracts 13:30 - When Crypto Finally Clicked 15:00 - Inspiration from Friend.Tech and the Birth of Ethos 17:00 - Reputation is Everything: Why Trust Signals Matter 19:10 - Realizing a Bigger Vision 21:00 - A Wild West Without Accountability 24:00 - Proof-of-Stake for People: Ethos’s Core Mechanism 26:30 - Avoiding Mob Rule: Risk, Reputation, and Social Slashing 29:00 - Open Moderation and Algorithmic Challenges 31:00 - Reviewing ETH Wallets, Twitter Accounts, and Beyond 33:30 - Identity, Anonymity, and the Risk of Sockpuppets 36:00 - Using Ethos in the Wild: Kaito, Bots, and Reputation vs. Attention 39:00 - Why It's Hard to Call Out Scammers (but Why We Must) 42:00 - The Power of Named Reviews vs. Anonymous Drama 44:00 - NFT Ethics, Gotcha Culture, and the Chaos Incentive 46:00 - Social Slashing 101: How It Works in Ethos 49:00 - Toward Financial Slashing: The Next Big Risk Layer 51:00 - Onboarding: Slow Growth 53:00 - Staying Power: What Keeps Users Coming Back Daily 56:00 - Finding People to Vouch For (and How to Ask for Vouches) 58:30 - Using the Chrome Extension for Discovery and Reviews 1:00:00 - Integrations 1:02:00 - Building Influence Onchain: Ratings for Businesses, Not Just People 1:04:00 - Alpha Drop? Business Leaderboards Are Coming 1:06:30 - Why Ethos Launched on Base 1:12:00 - The Token Question: Contributor XP, Incentives, and Future Possibilities 1:14:25 - Wrap-Up --- Podcast recorded by Toady Hawk, edited by Toady Hawk and Santhosh. Hosted by Toady Hawk. Music by Toady Hawk, SuperTightWoody & Suno AI. Produced by Zero Rights Media. This content is zero rights reserved (cc0), please remix and reuse it in any way you like!